January 23, 2009 6:44 AM
Sam wrote:
Okay.....I LIKE the first sentence in verse 1 of Chapter 5 of 1st Timothy. This is ONE COMMAND I expect all of you to obey! Exhort us older folks! Heck, I don't even know what exhort means. But ya'll best do it...the Bible says to!@
Okay, enough of the kidding around, let's look at verses 24 and 26 and try to figure out what they are saying. Here they are: "The sins of some men are obvious,.." (well, that is certainly true!!! When we see men 'chasing skirts', raping women (or men), murdering, hating, etc; we can see their sins in pure daylight. What sins do you have which are obvious to others? Maybe you can hide your pride and greed from some, but how about your own family? Do they see your sins---do you not give to the church? Do you not visit the sick? Do you not read your Bible and teach your family daily? Do you gossip about others? Do you get angry and say things you shouldn't? If so, (or if not, depending on how the question was asked), your sin is probably obvious to those around you all the time.) "reaching the place of judgement ahead of them;.." hmmm, this may take some research. A guy named Greg, on the famed internet, explains it this way: "simply meaning that when judgment finally comes on such people it will be no surprise because their sins will have been evident. The judgment here spoken of is not necessarily a final judgment, but a judgment for sin – which can come at any time, depending upon the sin. The judgment can come as a result of natural law, or it can come because of civil law that man legislates and enforces in his culture."
I like that. When judgment comes there is no surprise and that judgment is probably from others around you. I think I'll go with that explanation...sounds plausible.
"the sins of others trail behind them." This is obviously a description of what will happen when you try to hide your sin. Eventually, they will be discovered, not like the sins that are obvious, which are already 'discovered'. I asked the questions above about obvious sins, that is, sins your family might be observing in your day to day living, but what about those secret sins that only YOU (supposedly) know about? For me, it's _________. However, _______ will eventually be discovered, either by others, or by yourself when God 'reveals' it do you on the FINAL judgment day. What can you put in the place of the blanks in the previous statement? "In the same way, good deeds are obvious..." It is difficult to hide good deeds from everyone. Usually, the person on the receiving end knows about the good deed you may have done for them. Sometimes, family or friends with you when you accomplish those deeds also see them. And sometimes, you might brag about your good deeds. Although this certainly makes the deeds obvious, it is probably not the way to do it. Let OTHERS brag on you, not you on yourself. That is why it is written, 'But when you give to the needy, ..." To be continued below.... Reply to this
January 23, 2009 6:56 AM
Sam wrote:
"...do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing...". Yes, good deeds you do are usually immediately obvious and God will reward you in many ways for those deeds. (just don't brag about them, okay?)
"..and even those that are not cannot be hidden." I reflected on that a bit up above, in that God knows everything ("For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open."-Mark 4:22). However, in addition to God knowing, eventually good deeds that you do will become well known in your circle of friends and your acquaintences and even some folks you have never met. The word gets around. Take Tony, for example. It has been blogged about many times concerning the deeds he does for others. And eagerly, too. And even to the point of detriment to his own family (a little rebuke here, my good man). The word of Tony's heart to help others has most certainly spread around. He's a good man, with a great heart. He helps me on projects quite often, and Rick as well. Tony is always there for his friends and others he may meet who need assistance. His tombstone will include a blog about that, I am sure. How about the rest of us? Our we doing good deeds which will become evident by others, and talked about in the positive? Can you mentally list (I wouldn't want you to physically list them here as that could be considered prideful) some deeds you have done recently that might someday be talked about by people who didn't even see the deed?
Well, no more verses follow 25....I bet you are all glad I didn't start an an earlier verse, otherwise I'd never shut up! Oh, I forgot, 2nd Kings 23 is beckoning me. See you later! Reply to this
January 23, 2009 7:14 AM
Johnbob wrote:
Wow. You sure are thorough. I have filled in the blanks a bit below in terms of sins I struggled with this week.
This verse goes along with Galatians 16-25. Instead of thinking about how to gratify the sinful nature, think about how to follow the Spirit. And it mentions the sin list in v. 19 and then the fruits of the Spirit - lots of good deeds coming from the fruits of the Spirit. Reply to this
January 23, 2009 6:57 AM
Johnbob wrote:
I have been really out of it this week. It was a perfect storm of illness (when I turn into a real wimp), a very sobering and heavy discussion with my son, and a few other minor things. When I get this way, I am lazy and indulgent - overeating, sleeping late, struggling with purity, not calling anyone - all of which just serves to make me more down. But I woke up ready to roll this morning at 5:45 for whatever reason. I do think that I get clinically depressed every now and then and should probably follow up on that with a doctor.
So with my son, I shouldn't have been surprised - he is 15 1/2 and to make a long story short, is having a really hard time with living by simple rules of the house, much less anything spiritual. It's almost like he is 18 and ready to move on. He told us that he knows what it means to be a christian and doesn't want that life right now - he wants to experience life more. At least he is real and not a hypocrit, but it will mean a lot of pain because even before I was a christian, I saw where that life led. I saw people throwing up on the sidewalk telling me to never start drinking. I knew people who died in DUI crash. I know people now who are grandparents because their 15 year old got a girl pregnant. And I could go on and on. So I am all ears in terms of where I should go with this. But it was crushing for me because I felt like a failure as a father. It's funny because I don't hold other men to that standard even though their kid is worldly.
So I am back, and I will try not to check out again. Reply to this
January 23, 2009 7:32 AM
Sam wrote:
We were introduced to the 8 year old king, Josiah, yesterday. Today, in this chapter, he read all the words in the book of the law to all of the people, young and old, least to the greatest, from Jerusalem. After hearing the words, the PLEDGED to follow them ("pledged themselves to the covenant"). Josiah, with the backing of the priests and people, destroyed all the 'evil' things which his predecessor kings had erected. He did this throughout all the land, destroying the 'household gods, the idols and all the other detestable things seen in Judah and Jerusalem'. BUT......
God was still angry because of what Manasseh and Amon had done. So mad that he had Josiah killed at the age of 39. The folks that followed Josiah was not like him...they started doing evil once again. My question is 'Why, God?' 'Why would You maintain anger and destroy someone who was doing right for You?" I guess I will never know the answer to that question.
I guess a lesson to learn is that God can get angry, and stay angry. Makes ya kinda wonder why. BUT, the good thing for us is that, because of Jesus, he remembers our sin no more. Remember the verse in Hebrews we did earlier this month? "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." "Will remember their (our) sins no more." WHEW!!!!! We are all so much more fortunate than that 8 year old king ever was!!!! Jesus deserves a big AMEN for that.
January 23, 2009 3:37 PM
Dustin wrote:
"'Why, God?' 'Why would You maintain anger and destroy someone who was doing right for You?" " This is the question that makes me think "was GOD a woman?" Sorry guys i thought it was funny. Was i the only one that thouhgt that.. oh im goin ta he....hey stop that its hot..
So i read a lot of different things today but not one seemed to come to me. Maybe when i get home.
P.S. No Internet @ HOME--NO BLOG Ill get the two i miss on Monday. Have a great weekend all Reply to this
The dream is fading now I am staring at the door I know it’s over cause my feet have hit the cold floor Check my reflection, I ain’t feeling what I see It’s no mystery
What ever happened to a passion I could live for? What became of the flame that made me feel more? And when did I forget…
Chours: That I was made to love You I was made to find You I was made just for You Made to adore You I was made to love and be loved by You You were here before me You were waiting on me And You said You’d keep me never would You leave me I was made to love And be loved by You
The dreams alive with my eyes open wide Back in the ring You got me swingin’ for the grand prize I feel the haters spittin’ vapors on my dreams But I still believe…
I’m reachin’ out, reachin’ up, reachin’ over I feel a breeze cover me called Jehovah And Daddy I’m on my way…
Chorus:
Anything I would give up for You Everything I give it all away Reply to this
January 23, 2009 9:26 AM
rik wrote:
I never realized there was a "widows list", I do not believe we have a widows list at north river. I am (not I AM) going to ask Tom Brown about this.
??? OK I am confused here, first Paul says "Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge", yet he counsels them to marry? I just don't get how one counsels to break there first pledge. By the death of there husband are they not released from that pledge? How have I not seen this over the past ump-teen years? Reply to this
January 23, 2009 9:45 AM
rik wrote:
to JB and Rich, there is a winterfest 09 coming to Atlanta on Feb 8th. It is only 10 bucks per person. My boys (and my daughter) want to go. I know Richie is 17 and JB your son is coming up on 16. There is a positive message in the music they play, but it still has a new sound to it. I am seriously thinking about taking my sons, would you like to join me with your sons? again Feb 8th at 6pm. I would not be able to get there until 7-730 because I am in a financial management class (Dave Ramsey) the best acts are last. It gets over around 930 PM. It may be a way for our children to realize you can still have fun and be a disciple. Reply to this
January 23, 2009 10:13 AM
rik wrote:
I am planning a Superbowl party at my house and I would like to invite all of you. feb 01, times and details to come. Reply to this
Okay.....I LIKE the first sentence in verse 1 of Chapter 5 of 1st Timothy.
This is ONE COMMAND I expect all of you to obey!
Exhort us older folks!
Okay, enough of the kidding around, let's look at verses 24 and 26 and try to figure out what they are saying. Here they are:
"The sins of some men are obvious,.." (well, that is certainly true!!! When we see men 'chasing skirts', raping women (or men), murdering, hating, etc; we can see their sins in pure daylight. What sins do you have which are obvious to others? Maybe you can hide your pride and greed from some, but how about your own family? Do they see your sins---do you not give to the church? Do you not visit the sick? Do you not read your Bible and teach your family daily? Do you gossip about others? Do you get angry and say things you shouldn't? If so, (or if not, depending on how the question was asked), your sin is probably obvious to those around you all the time.)
"reaching the place of judgement ahead of them;.." hmmm, this may take some research. A guy named Greg, on the famed internet, explains it this way: "simply meaning that when judgment finally comes on such people it will be no surprise because their sins will have been evident. The judgment here spoken of is not necessarily a final judgment, but a judgment for sin – which can come at any time, depending upon the sin. The judgment can come as a result of natural law, or it can come because of civil law that man legislates and enforces in his culture."
I like that. When judgment comes there is no surprise and that judgment is probably from others around you. I think I'll go with that explanation...sounds plausible.
"the sins of others trail behind them." This is obviously a description of what will happen when you try to hide your sin. Eventually, they will be discovered, not like the sins that are obvious, which are already 'discovered'. I asked the questions above about obvious sins, that is, sins your family might be observing in your day to day living, but what about those secret sins that only YOU (supposedly) know about? For me, it's _________. However, _______ will eventually be discovered, either by others, or by yourself when God 'reveals' it do you on the FINAL judgment day. What can you put in the place of the blanks in the previous statement?
"In the same way, good deeds are obvious..." It is difficult to hide good deeds from everyone. Usually, the person on the receiving end knows about the good deed you may have done for them. Sometimes, family or friends with you when you accomplish those deeds also see them. And sometimes, you might brag about your good deeds. Although this certainly makes the deeds obvious, it is probably not the way to do it. Let OTHERS brag on you, not you on yourself. That is why it is written, 'But when you give to the needy, ..." To be continued below....
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as if you are my father. I will do my best pops
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"...do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing...". Yes, good deeds you do are usually immediately obvious and God will reward you in many ways for those deeds. (just don't brag about them, okay?)
"..and even those that are not cannot be hidden." I reflected on that a bit up above, in that God knows everything ("For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open."-Mark 4:22). However, in addition to God knowing, eventually good deeds that you do will become well known in your circle of friends and your acquaintences and even some folks you have never met. The word gets around. Take Tony, for example. It has been blogged about many times concerning the deeds he does for others. And eagerly, too. And even to the point of detriment to his own family (a little rebuke here, my good man). The word of Tony's heart to help others has most certainly spread around. He's a good man, with a great heart. He helps me on projects quite often, and Rick as well. Tony is always there for his friends and others he may meet who need assistance. His tombstone will include a blog about that, I am sure. How about the rest of us? Our we doing good deeds which will become evident by others, and talked about in the positive? Can you mentally list (I wouldn't want you to physically list them here as that could be considered prideful) some deeds you have done recently that might someday be talked about by people who didn't even see the deed?
Well, no more verses follow 25....I bet you are all glad I didn't start an an earlier verse, otherwise I'd never shut up!
Oh, I forgot, 2nd Kings 23 is beckoning me. See you later!
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Wow. You sure are thorough. I have filled in the blanks a bit below in terms of sins I struggled with this week.
This verse goes along with Galatians 16-25. Instead of thinking about how to gratify the sinful nature, think about how to follow the Spirit. And it mentions the sin list in v. 19 and then the fruits of the Spirit - lots of good deeds coming from the fruits of the Spirit.
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I have been really out of it this week. It was a perfect storm of illness (when I turn into a real wimp), a very sobering and heavy discussion with my son, and a few other minor things. When I get this way, I am lazy and indulgent - overeating, sleeping late, struggling with purity, not calling anyone - all of which just serves to make me more down. But I woke up ready to roll this morning at 5:45 for whatever reason. I do think that I get clinically depressed every now and then and should probably follow up on that with a doctor.
So with my son, I shouldn't have been surprised - he is 15 1/2 and to make a long story short, is having a really hard time with living by simple rules of the house, much less anything spiritual. It's almost like he is 18 and ready to move on. He told us that he knows what it means to be a christian and doesn't want that life right now - he wants to experience life more. At least he is real and not a hypocrit, but it will mean a lot of pain because even before I was a christian, I saw where that life led. I saw people throwing up on the sidewalk telling me to never start drinking. I knew people who died in DUI crash. I know people now who are grandparents because their 15 year old got a girl pregnant. And I could go on and on. So I am all ears in terms of where I should go with this. But it was crushing for me because I felt like a failure as a father. It's funny because I don't hold other men to that standard even though their kid is worldly.
So I am back, and I will try not to check out again.
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We were introduced to the 8 year old king, Josiah, yesterday. Today, in this chapter, he read all the words in the book of the law to all of the people, young and old, least to the greatest, from Jerusalem. After hearing the words, the PLEDGED to follow them ("pledged themselves to the covenant"). Josiah, with the backing of the priests and people, destroyed all the 'evil' things which his predecessor kings had erected. He did this throughout all the land, destroying the 'household gods, the idols and all the other detestable things seen in Judah and Jerusalem'. BUT......
God was still angry because of what Manasseh and Amon had done. So mad that he had Josiah killed at the age of 39. The folks that followed Josiah was not like him...they started doing evil once again. My question is 'Why, God?' 'Why would You maintain anger and destroy someone who was doing right for You?" I guess I will never know the answer to that question.
I guess a lesson to learn is that God can get angry, and stay angry. Makes ya kinda wonder why. BUT, the good thing for us is that, because of Jesus, he remembers our sin no more. Remember the verse in Hebrews we did earlier this month? "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." "Will remember their (our) sins no more." WHEW!!!!! We are all so much more fortunate than that 8 year old king ever was!!!!
Jesus deserves a big AMEN for that.
AMEN!
Ya'll have a great day now, ya heah?
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"'Why, God?' 'Why would You maintain anger and destroy someone who was doing right for You?" "
This is the question that makes me think "was GOD a woman?"
Sorry guys i thought it was funny. Was i the only one that thouhgt that.. oh im goin ta he....hey stop that its hot..
So i read a lot of different things today but not one seemed to come to me.
Maybe when i get home.
P.S. No Internet @ HOME--NO BLOG
Ill get the two i miss on Monday. Have a great weekend all
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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=574501d81d697920317b
I love this song.
lyrics:
The dream is fading now I am staring at the door
I know it’s over cause my feet have hit the cold floor
Check my reflection, I ain’t feeling what I see
It’s no mystery
What ever happened to a passion I could live for?
What became of the flame that made me feel more?
And when did I forget…
Chours:
That I was made to love You
I was made to find You
I was made just for You
Made to adore You
I was made to love and be loved by You
You were here before me
You were waiting on me
And You said You’d keep me never would You leave me
I was made to love
And be loved by You
The dreams alive with my eyes open wide
Back in the ring You got me swingin’ for the grand prize
I feel the haters spittin’ vapors on my dreams
But I still believe…
I’m reachin’ out, reachin’ up, reachin’ over
I feel a breeze cover me called Jehovah
And Daddy I’m on my way…
Chorus:
Anything I would give up for You
Everything I give it all away
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I never realized there was a "widows list", I do not believe we have a widows list at north river. I am (not I AM) going to ask Tom Brown about this.
??? OK I am confused here, first Paul says "Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge", yet he counsels them to marry? I just don't get how one counsels to break there first pledge. By the death of there husband are they not released from that pledge? How have I not seen this over the past ump-teen years?
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to JB and Rich, there is a winterfest 09 coming to Atlanta on Feb 8th. It is only 10 bucks per person. My boys (and my daughter) want to go. I know Richie is 17 and JB your son is coming up on 16. There is a positive message in the music they play, but it still has a new sound to it. I am seriously thinking about taking my sons, would you like to join me with your sons? again Feb 8th at 6pm. I would not be able to get there until 7-730 because I am in a financial management class (Dave Ramsey) the best acts are last. It gets over around 930 PM. It may be a way for our children to realize you can still have fun and be a disciple.
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I am planning a Superbowl party at my house and I would like to invite all of you. feb 01, times and details to come.
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appreciate the invite, but will be doing something at our house with the 'big screen'.
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