December 22, 2008 8:17 AM
Johnbob wrote:
You can't fool God. Jeraboam tried by sending his wife to the prophet with a disguise. What was he thinking - that God wouldn't know? We do the same thing. I do things as if God doesn't know when I struggle with sin. This is a good reminder that God knows - everything.
v 25-28 is very sad. Just a few chapters ago was the story of all that went into building the temple and putting the amazing things in it, and now it is gone. Sin is destructive. Reply to this
December 22, 2008 9:06 AM
Sam wrote:
To JB from yesterday...GOOD thoughts....good explanations, I think. NO, my real question was not why the hard punishment, but why did MOG2 lie. And I think you gave some good plausible explanations, the most important being that it was a warning to Jeroboam. Reply to this
December 22, 2008 9:32 AM
Sam wrote:
Well, caught a cold yesterday. One of my sisters-in-law (this one from Chino Hills, California (the fire stopped less than 1/2 mile from their house!)) brought it with her. I feel miserable. And I have a LONG drive back to Atlanta this afternoon....oh well, there's a reason for this sickness....just gotta figure it out.
Any, chapter 14 (sniffle)--(No, not because of the chapter, but because of my cold)...here we go (as Regis Philbin would say)...
As JB alluded to....DUH?????? You can't fool God. Aye, yi, yi yi. C'mon! But I found something very strange....when Abijah's mom returned, the verse 17 says that Abijah (the boy who was ill from verse 1), died. Correct? Then, at the end of the chapter, the last verse, it says Abijah succeeded his father as king. NOW, in the NIV version of the Bible, it has a footnote to try to explain away this obvious conflict (unless of course God raised Abijah back to life). It says that some versions say Abijam. MAYBE...but wouldn't you have thought the scribes woulda caught this error? Or someone a very long time ago caught it and corrected it? Why does it take 21st century conjecture to explain it away. (For those of you who FIRMLY, ABSOLUTELY believe that EVERY SINGLE WORD in your Bible is from God, and hence is perfect, sorry....I don't have that same belief. Yes, I believe that our Bible is FROM God, THROUGH men (and scribes), BUT that men and scribes make mistakes. And this is an oh-so-obvious one...unless of course it is like the "This is my brother Daryll and my other brother Daryll" syndrome! I say this to one, explain LOGICALLY why Abijah died and then Abijah (the same person?) ruled Israel, and two, emphasize that you MUST analyze all of the words written in the Bible (by man) to figure out what God is saying to us.
I do not think it is blasphemous to have said that. I think it is a warning to be SENSIBLE when reading the Bible. Take for example, Paul's reference to 'SCRIPTURE'. He says that it is God Breathed. Okay...cool. God breathed, man written. THEN, as our Bible was put together over time BY MAN, all of a sudden 'Scripture' became the addition of the New Testament in which Paul refers to Scripture even! How can what Paul has written (All Scripture is God Breathed), when he was obviously referring to what we call the Old Testament as Paul's letters were simply LETTERS, be Scripture....just doesn't make sense...yet we, as blindly following men and women, firmly 'believe' that everything in the Bible, including the NT, is God's Word. Better be careful. Abijah might have had a brother named Abijah; or he might have had one named Abijam and the scribes made an error. Either way, it is probable that there is an error in this chapter.
Can the Bible be used (including the NT which Paul does NOT refer to as Scripture) to live a better life? Yes. Can it be used to learn about salvation? Yes. Are there errors in the Bible? YUP. But, regardless, it is thebest we hve Reply to this
December 22, 2008 10:09 AM
Tony wrote:
Like I always say, If the Bible was the greatest book of fiction ever written would we go wrong by following it? No is th obvious answer. Even if you are stupid enough to not believe in God, you would not go wrong by following the Bible. Reply to this
December 22, 2008 10:43 AM
Rich wrote:
Yesterday at church the guy who did communion talked about the gifts the magi brought to Jesus. I got to thinking about what gift I could possibly give to Jesus. The gift would be something that I gave at Christmas that would last for all of 2009.
Then I thought maybe it would be a good idea for each of us to think of a gift we could give to Jesus for 2009. I guess the gift would be a little more like a resolution for 2009, but whatever it is it would be great to think of it as a gift to Jesus. I thought that if we shared our "gifts" with one another than perhaps we could all hold each other accountable (like Mac did to me the other day about my claim to memorize a chapter in Proverbs). Being held accountable by friends who love us is a good thing. So, think about it and if anyone is open, perhaps by Christmas day you might let the rest of us know what "gift" you want to give to Jesus for 2009 that all of us can help you with. Reply to this
December 22, 2008 10:51 AM
Tony wrote:
If I was the mother I would have stayed out of the town. As soon as she stepped in the door her son died. How would you like to be told that,"You have done more evil than all who lived before you." What a legacy to leave. The most evil person in the world to date. Who do you think it is today? Hitler comes to my mind first. But, there is no small sin verses big sin. Sin is sin, and we all do it. What is ,"the book of the annals of the kings of Israel." I would like to read that one day. Bad king replaced with new king. What is interesting is that their (the kings) sons both have the same name. King Jeroboam's son was Abijah and King Rehoboam's son was Abijah also. Things that make you go huuummmm. Reply to this
You can't fool God. Jeraboam tried by sending his wife to the prophet with a disguise. What was he thinking - that God wouldn't know? We do the same thing. I do things as if God doesn't know when I struggle with sin. This is a good reminder that God knows - everything.
v 25-28 is very sad. Just a few chapters ago was the story of all that went into building the temple and putting the amazing things in it, and now it is gone. Sin is destructive.
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To JB from yesterday...GOOD thoughts....good explanations, I think. NO, my real question was not why the hard punishment, but why did MOG2 lie. And I think you gave some good plausible explanations, the most important being that it was a warning to Jeroboam.
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Well, caught a cold yesterday. One of my sisters-in-law (this one from Chino Hills, California (the fire stopped less than 1/2 mile from their house!)) brought it with her. I feel miserable. And I have a LONG drive back to Atlanta this afternoon....oh well, there's a reason for this sickness....just gotta figure it out.
Any, chapter 14 (sniffle)--(No, not because of the chapter, but because of my cold)...here we go (as Regis Philbin would say)...
As JB alluded to....DUH?????? You can't fool God. Aye, yi, yi yi. C'mon!
But I found something very strange....when Abijah's mom returned, the verse 17 says that Abijah (the boy who was ill from verse 1), died. Correct? Then, at the end of the chapter, the last verse, it says Abijah succeeded his father as king. NOW, in the NIV version of the Bible, it has a footnote to try to explain away this obvious conflict (unless of course God raised Abijah back to life). It says that some versions say Abijam. MAYBE...but wouldn't you have thought the scribes woulda caught this error? Or someone a very long time ago caught it and corrected it? Why does it take 21st century conjecture to explain it away. (For those of you who FIRMLY, ABSOLUTELY believe that EVERY SINGLE WORD in your Bible is from God, and hence is perfect, sorry....I don't have that same belief. Yes, I believe that our Bible is FROM God, THROUGH men (and scribes), BUT that men and scribes make mistakes. And this is an oh-so-obvious one...unless of course it is like the "This is my brother Daryll and my other brother Daryll" syndrome!
I say this to one, explain LOGICALLY why Abijah died and then Abijah (the same person?) ruled Israel, and two, emphasize that you MUST analyze all of the words written in the Bible (by man) to figure out what God is saying to us.
I do not think it is blasphemous to have said that. I think it is a warning to be SENSIBLE when reading the Bible. Take for example, Paul's reference to 'SCRIPTURE'. He says that it is God Breathed. Okay...cool. God breathed, man written. THEN, as our Bible was put together over time BY MAN, all of a sudden 'Scripture' became the addition of the New Testament in which Paul refers to Scripture even! How can what Paul has written (All Scripture is God Breathed), when he was obviously referring to what we call the Old Testament as Paul's letters were simply LETTERS, be Scripture....just doesn't make sense...yet we, as blindly following men and women, firmly 'believe' that everything in the Bible, including the NT, is God's Word. Better be careful. Abijah might have had a brother named Abijah; or he might have had one named Abijam and the scribes made an error. Either way, it is probable that there is an error in this chapter.
Can the Bible be used (including the NT which Paul does NOT refer to as Scripture) to live a better life? Yes. Can it be used to learn about salvation? Yes. Are there errors in the Bible? YUP. But, regardless, it is thebest we hve
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Like I always say, If the Bible was the greatest book of fiction ever written would we go wrong by following it? No is th obvious answer. Even if you are stupid enough to not believe in God, you would not go wrong by following the Bible.
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Yesterday at church the guy who did communion talked about the gifts the magi brought to Jesus. I got to thinking about what gift I could possibly give to Jesus. The gift would be something that I gave at Christmas that would last for all of 2009.
Then I thought maybe it would be a good idea for each of us to think of a gift we could give to Jesus for 2009. I guess the gift would be a little more like a resolution for 2009, but whatever it is it would be great to think of it as a gift to Jesus. I thought that if we shared our "gifts" with one another than perhaps we could all hold each other accountable (like Mac did to me the other day about my claim to memorize a chapter in Proverbs). Being held accountable by friends who love us is a good thing. So, think about it and if anyone is open, perhaps by Christmas day you might let the rest of us know what "gift" you want to give to Jesus for 2009 that all of us can help you with.
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Great idea Rich.
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If I was the mother I would have stayed out of the town. As soon as she stepped in the door her son died. How would you like to be told that,"You have done more evil than all who lived before you." What a legacy to leave. The most evil person in the world to date. Who do you think it is today? Hitler comes to my mind first. But, there is no small sin verses big sin. Sin is sin, and we all do it. What is ,"the book of the annals of the kings of Israel." I would like to read that one day. Bad king replaced with new king. What is interesting is that their (the kings) sons both have the same name. King Jeroboam's son was Abijah and King Rehoboam's son was Abijah also. Things that make you go huuummmm.
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