February 29, 2008 6:20 AM
Sam wrote:
Hey Jude, Don't be afraid. Take a sad song, and make it better, Remember, remember......aw, I DON'T remember the rest of the words....anyway, as you can probably see, whenever I hear of this book in the Bible, I immediately thinkg of this Beatles' masterpiece. Too bad, huh? I SHOULD be immediately remindeded that 'the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone' (verse 14). At the beginning of that verse, Jude says something very interesting: "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied to these men:". It is obvious Jude is quoting from some written document. In fact, there exists different writings TODAY which are attributed to Enoch. A quick look at Wikipedia (type in 'book of Enoch' on their search page and you will see what I mean). I get a little miffed when I read that man 'did not include these writings' in our today's Bible. What makes the book of Esther where God is not even mentioned once, more 'divine' and 'God-written' that what Enoch wrote and said? I believe our Bible should contain probalby three times what it does now. If groups of men, in deciding which books 'qualified' to be read by all future generations as 'the Word of God', had included the writings of Enoch and the other several writings of other God-inspired authors, we might have a lot more to learn about God. Will it make any change in the way we believe about salvation? Probably not, but you never know. Where was the 'first' book of Corinthians or Thessalonians or whatever book Paul says that he had written to that church before (but is not in our Bible)? Where are all the writing found in the caves in Qumrum (spell)? Maybe, just maybe, some of the 'arguments' we have between what individual churches believe about salvation, just might be made more clear. What am I getting at? READ! Read other works of men of history. Read the Apocrophia (or whatever its called), the 'extra' books the Catholic church have as reference and consider part of the Bible. Read all about church history.....you will find some REALLY strange stuff when you do that. But read. I know Rik and Tony don't do a whole lot of reading (for different reasons), but I encourage everyone to find something NEW (to you) to read about Christ, the prophesy of ones before Christ (like Enoch), the church as it evolved from the time Jude wrote this short letter. And once you do, SHARE your new-found knowledge with the rest of us. God is great. God is good. But we don't know the half of it! Reply to this
February 29, 2008 6:20 AM
Sam wrote:
Hey Jude, Don't be afraid. Take a sad song, and make it better, Remember, remember......aw, I DON'T remember the rest of the words....anyway, as you can probably see, whenever I hear of this book in the Bible, I immediately thinkg of this Beatles' masterpiece. Too bad, huh? I SHOULD be immediately remindeded that 'the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone' (verse 14). At the beginning of that verse, Jude says something very interesting: "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied to these men:". It is obvious Jude is quoting from some written document. In fact, there exists different writings TODAY which are attributed to Enoch. A quick look at Wikipedia (type in 'book of Enoch' on their search page and you will see what I mean). I get a little miffed when I read that man 'did not include these writings' in our today's Bible. What makes the book of Esther where God is not even mentioned once, more 'divine' and 'God-written' that what Enoch wrote and said? I believe our Bible should contain probalby three times what it does now. If groups of men, in deciding which books 'qualified' to be read by all future generations as 'the Word of God', had included the writings of Enoch and the other several writings of other God-inspired authors, we might have a lot more to learn about God. Will it make any change in the way we believe about salvation? Probably not, but you never know. Where was the 'first' book of Corinthians or Thessalonians or whatever book Paul says that he had written to that church before (but is not in our Bible)? Where are all the writing found in the caves in Qumrum (spell)? Maybe, just maybe, some of the 'arguments' we have between what individual churches believe about salvation, just might be made more clear. What am I getting at? READ! Read other works of men of history. Read the Apocrophia (or whatever its called), the 'extra' books the Catholic church have as reference and consider part of the Bible. Read all about church history.....you will find some REALLY strange stuff when you do that. But read. I know Rik and Tony don't do a whole lot of reading (for different reasons), but I encourage everyone to find something NEW (to you) to read about Christ, the prophesy of ones before Christ (like Enoch), the church as it evolved from the time Jude wrote this short letter. And once you do, SHARE your new-found knowledge with the rest of us. God is great. God is good. But we don't know the half of it! Reply to this
February 29, 2008 11:18 AM
Anonymous wrote:
Mac my friend, men did not choose what to write in the bible!! God has put everything that we need in His word. The book of Enoch is out there but God (I assume) chose to leave it out of the bible, why we don't know. Perhaps when you ask Him then you can tell us. Reply to this
February 29, 2008 11:19 AM
rik wrote:
22Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. I know in recent times I have grown dull to sin. I still am trying to stay clear of it, but I have not had that "hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh" mentality of sin and sinful nature. I do not go looking for sin, which is a good thing, but if it happens to fall into my lap I am not fleeing from it as if my salvation depended on it. This is what I mean when I say I have grown dull. "as iron sharpens iron...". Reply to this
Hey Jude, Don't be afraid. Take a sad song, and make it better, Remember, remember......aw, I DON'T remember the rest of the words....anyway, as you can probably see, whenever I hear of this book in the Bible, I immediately thinkg of this Beatles' masterpiece. Too bad, huh? I SHOULD be immediately remindeded that 'the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone' (verse 14). At the beginning of that verse, Jude says something very interesting: "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied to these men:". It is obvious Jude is quoting from some written document. In fact, there exists different writings TODAY which are attributed to Enoch. A quick look at Wikipedia (type in 'book of Enoch' on their search page and you will see what I mean). I get a little miffed when I read that man 'did not include these writings' in our today's Bible. What makes the book of Esther where God is not even mentioned once, more 'divine' and 'God-written' that what Enoch wrote and said? I believe our Bible should contain probalby three times what it does now. If groups of men, in deciding which books 'qualified' to be read by all future generations as 'the Word of God', had included the writings of Enoch and the other several writings of other God-inspired authors, we might have a lot more to learn about God. Will it make any change in the way we believe about salvation? Probably not, but you never know. Where was the 'first' book of Corinthians or Thessalonians or whatever book Paul says that he had written to that church before (but is not in our Bible)? Where are all the writing found in the caves in Qumrum (spell)? Maybe, just maybe, some of the 'arguments' we have between what individual churches believe about salvation, just might be made more clear. What am I getting at? READ! Read other works of men of history. Read the Apocrophia (or whatever its called), the 'extra' books the Catholic church have as reference and consider part of the Bible. Read all about church history.....you will find some REALLY strange stuff when you do that. But read. I know Rik and Tony don't do a whole lot of reading (for different reasons), but I encourage everyone to find something NEW (to you) to read about Christ, the prophesy of ones before Christ (like Enoch), the church as it evolved from the time Jude wrote this short letter. And once you do, SHARE your new-found knowledge with the rest of us. God is great. God is good. But we don't know the half of it!
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Hey Jude, Don't be afraid. Take a sad song, and make it better, Remember, remember......aw, I DON'T remember the rest of the words....anyway, as you can probably see, whenever I hear of this book in the Bible, I immediately thinkg of this Beatles' masterpiece. Too bad, huh? I SHOULD be immediately remindeded that 'the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone' (verse 14). At the beginning of that verse, Jude says something very interesting: "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied to these men:". It is obvious Jude is quoting from some written document. In fact, there exists different writings TODAY which are attributed to Enoch. A quick look at Wikipedia (type in 'book of Enoch' on their search page and you will see what I mean). I get a little miffed when I read that man 'did not include these writings' in our today's Bible. What makes the book of Esther where God is not even mentioned once, more 'divine' and 'God-written' that what Enoch wrote and said? I believe our Bible should contain probalby three times what it does now. If groups of men, in deciding which books 'qualified' to be read by all future generations as 'the Word of God', had included the writings of Enoch and the other several writings of other God-inspired authors, we might have a lot more to learn about God. Will it make any change in the way we believe about salvation? Probably not, but you never know. Where was the 'first' book of Corinthians or Thessalonians or whatever book Paul says that he had written to that church before (but is not in our Bible)? Where are all the writing found in the caves in Qumrum (spell)? Maybe, just maybe, some of the 'arguments' we have between what individual churches believe about salvation, just might be made more clear. What am I getting at? READ! Read other works of men of history. Read the Apocrophia (or whatever its called), the 'extra' books the Catholic church have as reference and consider part of the Bible. Read all about church history.....you will find some REALLY strange stuff when you do that. But read. I know Rik and Tony don't do a whole lot of reading (for different reasons), but I encourage everyone to find something NEW (to you) to read about Christ, the prophesy of ones before Christ (like Enoch), the church as it evolved from the time Jude wrote this short letter. And once you do, SHARE your new-found knowledge with the rest of us. God is great. God is good. But we don't know the half of it!
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Mac my friend, men did not choose what to write in the bible!! God has put everything that we need in His word. The book of Enoch is out there but God (I assume) chose to leave it out of the bible, why we don't know. Perhaps when you ask Him then you can tell us.
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22Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. I know in recent times I have grown dull to sin. I still am trying to stay clear of it, but I have not had that "hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh" mentality of sin and sinful nature. I do not go looking for sin, which is a good thing, but if it happens to fall into my lap I am not fleeing from it as if my salvation depended on it. This is what I mean when I say I have grown dull. "as iron sharpens iron...".
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Interesting, but I have no other thought on it right now.
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