October 31, 2007 5:10 AM
Rich wrote:
Prov 31 - It is interesting that there is a section to kings before the wife of noble character stuff. Does this maybe apply to husbands?
This chapter is always hard for me. It does not describe my wife. My wife has never been strong in these qualities, even before she got sick - about 10 years ago. I don't know if there is anything that I can do to get my wife to be like this. I know that there are many changes that I need to make to be a better husband, but I do not know if these will change her.
But it did hit me this morning that I do have a daughter (who is 10) who I still have power to shape. Perhaps my goal should be to train my daughter as best as I can to be the Proverbs 31 woman. I can teach her how to select wool and flax (maybe clothes and food?) and how to work eagerly with her hands. I can teach her how to care for others needs, how to work diligently and hard, how to make smart business decisions, how to care for the poor, keep a good and clean household, how to seek and get wisdom from the scriptures. I will be curious to see what everyone else has to say today. Reply to this
October 31, 2007 5:15 AM
Rich wrote:
What are we reading next? How about something from the New Testament? I am not sure if I can handle another Zech type book. Any concensus about reading the book "Jesus, the Same?" Suggestion in book is to read a gospel while reading the book - Mark is suggested. Reply to this
October 31, 2007 5:23 AM
Sam wrote:
To ALL......what say you for next month, which starts tomorrow? Shall we depart from Proverbs for a bit, and maybe read Mark as Rich suggested? I agree with Rick about only reading ONE book for the blog this time as we will be MEETING to discuss Jesus, the same. When do you want to meet first? I don't have my book yet, but it should be here real soon, was shipped 7 days ago. Reply to this
October 31, 2007 5:38 AM
Sam wrote:
Prov 31. I mentioned this before, I am sure....but I find it interesting each time to read that King Lem was taught this stuff by his mother. Not his father, mind you, who is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the family, but by his mom. Also, all this about a noble wife you will see, was taught to Lem also by a woman (his mother). Women somehow seem to have the ability to see what they WANT to be like, just like men who strive to be better at things than they are. Lem's mom probably was lacking in some of these areas, but knew that she should be better in them, so she passed this advice onto her son, so that his life would be a lot better if he could find such a wife. However, niverna is not for all of us. We, as well as our wives, are not perfect, as 'mom' wishes for her son. I suggest that Rich's idea of teaching his daughter about this chapter is a good one, however, she must understand that if she is not just like this, that is okay too....no one is perfect. These are good goals for women (and many of them for men), but should not be a measuring stick about how noble one can be. Jesus is the one to whom we should be compared, and try to emulate. Of course we will never make that, either, as we are not perfect. So, Rich, teach but don't force. All, expect nobleness in your wives, but don't get disappointed when it ain't there. Our wives our noble without getting up before the sun comes up. They are noble even though they don't buy fields. They are noble even though the beds may not be made up in the morning. They are noble even if dinner is late. They are noble because YOU, as a husband, put them on a pedestal and TREAT them as being noble, even though they are imperfect. Don't complain about your wives....their faults are their traits...and yours are yours. Lem's dad was probably also spiritual, but I am not sure. This rendition by Lem was, in my opinion, a way of worshipping and thanking his mom for good advice...by writing it down for others to read. King Lemuel also probably wrote (or said) things about his father, we just don't have the privilege of reading them. We should honor our mothers and fathers, as is written, but we should also honor our wives, our children, our friends, and yes, even our enemies. Everyone is noble. Get rid of that sin, and you will see the nobleness in people. Love the person, hate the sin. Give EVERYONE the reward they have earned by loving them, as commanded by Jesus. Reply to this
October 31, 2007 7:22 AM
Tony wrote:
Morning all! WOW Rich said 5:30 and I guess he ment it, great job Rich! It is so much better to start the day with God on the brain than to try and finish the day without. I know for me I read/blog and that is probably all the conscience effort that I put in for the day. But I know that the Holy Spirit is whith me because my thought pattern for the day is different. Proverbs 31 What can we say that has not been said already. To have a wife of nobel character as described in verses 10-31 would be AWESOME, but what do you think her husband was like. I would think if his wife was all that then he must be twice that. So if we really want that in a wife we must lead by example. I know I am not that great, though I like to think so sometimes.Verse 28," Her children arise and call her blessed;her husband also, and he praises her," do we do this, probably not. Verse 29, "Many women do noble things,but you surpass them all.", do we ler her know this, probably not as much as we should. We reap what we sow. We sow praise and admiration, we get the same. I know it doesn't always work that way but if we give up it will NEVER work that way. I'm in for the book club as soon as they get here. Reply to this
October 31, 2007 10:44 AM
rik wrote:
Do we really believe God can do? Do we really believe what the Word tells us? Do we have wives of noble character? I believe if you can truthfully say yes to the first two questions, the third question should be a yes also. If we truly run our household like the bible instructs us to, our wives would be loved and feel loved. Loved wives will become the women written about in this chapter. Everyone has a different capacity to live up to this example of a wife of noble character. Some of our wives may already be that wife (or is striving to) and we do not even pay attention to what they are doing. I have a wonderful wife. she takes great care of me, as long as I am being the husband God calls me to be. She naturally falls in line with what the Scriptures say. We are the head of the home weather we want to be or not. our wives and our children are a reflection of us. It is not I who say this but it can be found all through the scriptures. It was mentioned several blogs ago that there is not any proverbs of husbands of noble character or about husbands who are quarrelsome. I beg to differ-every scripture about the fool, the folly, the sluggard, the prideful, or the wise, the humble and the diligent is to us- men, husbands, and fathers. Some of us might be longing for that wife of noble character; well you have to earn it. Get the folly, the laziness, and the selfishness out of your life and just watch what God can do. Strive for humility, understanding, and compassion and mostly love and watch what God can do. Do we REALLY BELIEVE God can do? Do we REALLY BELIEVE what the Word tells us? Reply to this
October 31, 2007 3:20 PM
Sam wrote:
Well, I didn't get any responses about which book to blog on for November, so let's go with Rich's suggestion--the book of Mark. We will do the Jesus-Same book off-line in another forum....what say you about meeting sometime this weekend and starting that up? In the meantime, however, I have set up the Blog for Mark. Reply to this
Prov 31 - It is interesting that there is a section to kings before the wife of noble character stuff. Does this maybe apply to husbands?
This chapter is always hard for me. It does not describe my wife. My wife has never been strong in these qualities, even before she got sick - about 10 years ago. I don't know if there is anything that I can do to get my wife to be like this. I know that there are many changes that I need to make to be a better husband, but I do not know if these will change her.
But it did hit me this morning that I do have a daughter (who is 10) who I still have power to shape. Perhaps my goal should be to train my daughter as best as I can to be the Proverbs 31 woman. I can teach her how to select wool and flax (maybe clothes and food?) and how to work eagerly with her hands. I can teach her how to care for others needs, how to work diligently and hard, how to make smart business decisions, how to care for the poor, keep a good and clean household, how to seek and get wisdom from the scriptures. I will be curious to see what everyone else has to say today.
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What are we reading next? How about something from the New Testament? I am not sure if I can handle another Zech type book. Any concensus about reading the book "Jesus, the Same?" Suggestion in book is to read a gospel while reading the book - Mark is suggested.
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To ALL......what say you for next month, which starts tomorrow? Shall we depart from Proverbs for a bit, and maybe read Mark as Rich suggested? I agree with Rick about only reading ONE book for the blog this time as we will be MEETING to discuss Jesus, the same. When do you want to meet first? I don't have my book yet, but it should be here real soon, was shipped 7 days ago.
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Prov 31. I mentioned this before, I am sure....but I find it interesting each time to read that King Lem was taught this stuff by his mother. Not his father, mind you, who is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the family, but by his mom. Also, all this about a noble wife you will see, was taught to Lem also by a woman (his mother). Women somehow seem to have the ability to see what they WANT to be like, just like men who strive to be better at things than they are. Lem's mom probably was lacking in some of these areas, but knew that she should be better in them, so she passed this advice onto her son, so that his life would be a lot better if he could find such a wife.
However, niverna is not for all of us. We, as well as our wives, are not perfect, as 'mom' wishes for her son. I suggest that Rich's idea of teaching his daughter about this chapter is a good one, however, she must understand that if she is not just like this, that is okay too....no one is perfect. These are good goals for women (and many of them for men), but should not be a measuring stick about how noble one can be. Jesus is the one to whom we should be compared, and try to emulate. Of course we will never make that, either, as we are not perfect. So, Rich, teach but don't force. All, expect nobleness in your wives, but don't get disappointed when it ain't there. Our wives our noble without getting up before the sun comes up. They are noble even though they don't buy fields. They are noble even though the beds may not be made up in the morning. They are noble even if dinner is late. They are noble because YOU, as a husband, put them on a pedestal and TREAT them as being noble, even though they are imperfect. Don't complain about your wives....their faults are their traits...and yours are yours. Lem's dad was probably also spiritual, but I am not sure. This rendition by Lem was, in my opinion, a way of worshipping and thanking his mom for good advice...by writing it down for others to read. King Lemuel also probably wrote (or said) things about his father, we just don't have the privilege of reading them. We should honor our mothers and fathers, as is written, but we should also honor our wives, our children, our friends, and yes, even our enemies. Everyone is noble. Get rid of that sin, and you will see the nobleness in people. Love the person, hate the sin. Give EVERYONE the reward they have earned by loving them, as commanded by Jesus.
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Thanks Mac. This encourages and really clears things up for me. I appreciate you advice and wisdom.
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Morning all! WOW Rich said 5:30 and I guess he ment it, great job Rich! It is so much better to start the day with God on the brain than to try and finish the day without. I know for me I read/blog and that is probably all the conscience effort that I put in for the day. But I know that the Holy Spirit is whith me because my thought pattern for the day is different.
Proverbs 31
What can we say that has not been said already. To have a wife of nobel character as described in verses 10-31 would be AWESOME, but what do you think her husband was like. I would think if his wife was all that then he must be twice that. So if we really want that in a wife we must lead by example. I know I am not that great, though I like to think so sometimes.Verse 28," Her children arise and call her blessed;her husband also, and he praises her," do we do this, probably not. Verse 29, "Many women do noble things,but you surpass them all.", do we ler her know this, probably not as much as we should. We reap what we sow. We sow praise and admiration, we get the same. I know it doesn't always work that way but if we give up it will NEVER work that way.
I'm in for the book club as soon as they get here.
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our books are in. yours is at my house.
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Do we really believe God can do? Do we really believe what the Word tells us? Do we have wives of noble character? I believe if you can truthfully say yes to the first two questions, the third question should be a yes also. If we truly run our household like the bible instructs us to, our wives would be loved and feel loved. Loved wives will become the women written about in this chapter. Everyone has a different capacity to live up to this example of a wife of noble character. Some of our wives may already be that wife (or is striving to) and we do not even pay attention to what they are doing. I have a wonderful wife. she takes great care of me, as long as I am being the husband God calls me to be. She naturally falls in line with what the Scriptures say. We are the head of the home weather we want to be or not. our wives and our children are a reflection of us. It is not I who say this but it can be found all through the scriptures. It was mentioned several blogs ago that there is not any proverbs of husbands of noble character or about husbands who are quarrelsome. I beg to differ-every scripture about the fool, the folly, the sluggard, the prideful, or the wise, the humble and the diligent is to us- men, husbands, and fathers. Some of us might be longing for that wife of noble character; well you have to earn it. Get the folly, the laziness, and the selfishness out of your life and just watch what God can do. Strive for humility, understanding, and compassion and mostly love and watch what God can do. Do we REALLY BELIEVE God can do? Do we REALLY BELIEVE what the Word tells us?
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Well, I didn't get any responses about which book to blog on for November, so let's go with Rich's suggestion--the book of Mark. We will do the Jesus-Same book off-line in another forum....what say you about meeting sometime this weekend and starting that up? In the meantime, however, I have set up the Blog for Mark.
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