October 30, 2007 5:12 AM
Sam wrote:
Prov 30. (Rich---if you didn't get a chance to go BACK to yesterday's blog, please read my last comment to you....SCID). Si como un necio te has engreido, o si algo maquinas, ponte a pensar ????????? Reading the spanish version of verse 32 doesn't see to match the english version. I don't see the last part of the verse (clap your hand over your mouth). Oh well, anyway, this verse tells us to keep our mouths shut and don't praise ourselves nor plan evil. Of course, we all do that to some extent, don't we? I am trying to keep that to a minimum.
Zech 14. We finish this book off with a prophesy (guess he wanted to get it in before prophesy was forbidden (see yesterday's blogs)) about THE day, the last day of earth as we know it. Supposedly, that day will come 'like a thief in the night'. Could be today, could not be. No one except God knows. Are you ready? Got any unconfessed sin? Got an unrepentent heart for ANY reason right now? Whether this prophesy is actually about the final day, I don't know....phrases in it indicate it is talking about a day in the history of Jerusalem, not its future. But then, who knows. Interpretation of God's Word is different by as many people as to who read it. But read it, we should. This has been an interesting, yet confusing book....may get a chance someday to re-read and study it in more detail. Reply to this
October 30, 2007 6:40 AM
Anonymous wrote:
P 30-23 An unloved women who is married make the earth tremble! how big is our responsibility men? our wives must feel loved. If the earth trembles to an unloved woman we will not be able to stand up against one. We must love our wives like Christ loved us. Reply to this
October 30, 2007 7:10 AM
Rich wrote:
Rick - I was writing my comments on this verse while you posted yours. We were both hit by the same scripture. I agree, it is a big responsibility and very challenging. How to love like Christ? Maybe I can better learn to love others like Christ (share my faith, etc.) if I first learn to love my wife like Christ! Reply to this
October 30, 2007 6:51 AM
Anonymous wrote:
I agree with you sam this book is quite confusing. I do not believe i have ever heard a lesson on Sunday out of this book. I did not get anything out of the last chapter this morning. I will read it again later today and see if something jumps out. as for next month are we going to read Jesus the same instead of an alternate book in the bible? or are we going to add it to the current prov + one? Reply to this
October 30, 2007 7:07 AM
Rich wrote:
Mac - I read your comments from yesterday. First, I agree with Tony - you are a nut!!! Second, (since I am replying to this, I must be one too) I cannot disagree with you. Correct - that is 'what we were taught.' I believe it was that the H.S. was given by the laying on of the apostles hands. After the apostles died out and after everyone who they laid hands on died out, there was no more prophesy via the H.S. If what we were taught is true, then maybe this is what Zech is talking about. However, I was just throwing out some ideas. The fact is I have little to no idea what Zech is talking about in this book. Today's reading (Zech 14) is very confusing. I believe that it refers to Jesus, to sin and to the Good News of salvation through Jesus (the NT plan as opposed to the OT rules and regulations). We at least have this possible perspective. I wonder what people thought about this book in the time of Zechariah. It must have sounded like total and complete nonsense! I have never spent much time reading Revelations, but from the few things I have read, describing future events is confusing. And even after the events supposedly occur, you sometimes need great imagination or a magnifying glass to see the connection. The more I talk about this the more confused I get. Now I am CIM (confused in marietta) and tomorrow I will be SCIM like Mac, but just in a different location!
Proverbs 30:8 - we can ask God to keep falsehood and lies away from us. Does this mean to keep us from telling falsehoods and lies or to keep other people from telling them to us (i.e., tricking us)? Perhaps both. When I read verse 8, I think of Matt 6:9-13 (the Lord's prayer). "Do not lead us into temptation and deliver us from the evil one" and "give us this day our daily bread." I know that I struggle with the compromise that I see all around me with regards to the 'truth.' It is amazing how easy it is to be false - to tell lies to protect oneself and one's 'image.' Perhaps keep falsehood and lies from us means to protect us from the temptation of thinking that just because everyone else does it, it is okay for me. This verse just hit me and is making me think/reflect.
Prov 30:23 - OUCH!!! An unloved woman who is married is something that makes the earth tremble. It shakes the very foundation of where we live. Is that why the 'foundation' of my family seems so shaky? Is my wife an unloved (by me) woman? Does she feel loved by God because I encourage her daily that God loves her? Unfortunately, I think I have seen something today (in this verse) about myself and my family that I do not want to admit. I think my wife 'feels' like an unloved woman who is married. I am confessing this to you all. I do many things for my wife (care for her physical needs), but I struggle to love her. What if Jesus struggled to love me because of my physical illnesses (i.e., my sin)? I would be lost and have no hope. Is this what my wife feels? Like I said above, UGHHH!!! Reply to this
October 30, 2007 7:14 AM
Tony wrote:
Proverbs 30 Who is Ithiel and Ucal? When I first read this today, as before, I thought they were people. Now I'm not so sure. The only reference I can find to Ithiel is that he is a son of Benjamin (Nehem11:7). There is no reference to Ucal as a person. The footnotes say Masoretic Text; with a different word division of the Hebrew declared, "I am weary, O God; / I am weary, O God, and faint. To me that makes allot more since. Agur is weary and humble. He has great insight on what is never enough and things that are amazing.Agur is weary yet he goes on. We are weary, life is hard yet we must continue to trust in the Lord and depend on Him for our strength. Zachariah 14 I find it interesting that God will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem and then He will go out and fight against those nations that He brought in. God will fight for his people, Jerusalem, after He has caused them to be split, doesn't make since to me. If this is about the last days, there is hope for the none believers. Verse 16," Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty". The survivors of the plague and the wars. Do we want to take the chance that we will survive the plague and the craziness. I don't think so!! I say we just stay focused and try to say on or find that narrow path! Reply to this
October 30, 2007 7:28 AM
Tony wrote:
It is amazing that we all had verse 23 hit us today! I read that and I thought about our wives.Do the feel loved? We as men do not have a clue! I was watching tool time the other day and Tim said it just right. We are not as smart as women think we are! Every time we are in the wrong they say we should know what we did. Well if we did we would not have done it, duh. Women feel loved in different was then men do. We as men, are more physical. Women are more emotional. Men think security is a good job, bills paid, nice house and fixing things. We (men) make things work. Women are emotion, they want emotional security. If any one knows the answer to that feel free to fill me in. I would think that doing what we do would be security for them, but it is not. No matter how much we tell them we love them, or how great they are, how much we appreciate them and the things they do, for some women it is just not enough. Reply to this
Prov 30. (Rich---if you didn't get a chance to go BACK to yesterday's blog, please read my last comment to you....SCID). Si como un necio te has engreido, o si algo maquinas, ponte a pensar ????????? Reading the spanish version of verse 32 doesn't see to match the english version. I don't see the last part of the verse (clap your hand over your mouth). Oh well, anyway, this verse tells us to keep our mouths shut and don't praise ourselves nor plan evil. Of course, we all do that to some extent, don't we? I am trying to keep that to a minimum.
Zech 14. We finish this book off with a prophesy (guess he wanted to get it in before prophesy was forbidden (see yesterday's blogs)) about THE day, the last day of earth as we know it. Supposedly, that day will come 'like a thief in the night'. Could be today, could not be. No one except God knows. Are you ready? Got any unconfessed sin? Got an unrepentent heart for ANY reason right now? Whether this prophesy is actually about the final day, I don't know....phrases in it indicate it is talking about a day in the history of Jerusalem, not its future. But then, who knows. Interpretation of God's Word is different by as many people as to who read it. But read it, we should. This has been an interesting, yet confusing book....may get a chance someday to re-read and study it in more detail.
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P 30-23 An unloved women who is married make the earth tremble! how big is our responsibility men? our wives must feel loved. If the earth trembles to an unloved woman we will not be able to stand up against one. We must love our wives like Christ loved us.
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the anonymous is me this morning. for some reason it did not remember me this morning.
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Rick - I was writing my comments on this verse while you posted yours. We were both hit by the same scripture. I agree, it is a big responsibility and very challenging. How to love like Christ? Maybe I can better learn to love others like Christ (share my faith, etc.) if I first learn to love my wife like Christ!
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I agree with you sam this book is quite confusing. I do not believe i have ever heard a lesson on Sunday out of this book. I did not get anything out of the last chapter this morning. I will read it again later today and see if something jumps out. as for next month are we going to read Jesus the same instead of an alternate book in the bible? or are we going to add it to the current prov + one?
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Mac - I read your comments from yesterday. First, I agree with Tony - you are a nut!!! Second, (since I am replying to this, I must be one too) I cannot disagree with you. Correct - that is 'what we were taught.' I believe it was that the H.S. was given by the laying on of the apostles hands. After the apostles died out and after everyone who they laid hands on died out, there was no more prophesy via the H.S. If what we were taught is true, then maybe this is what Zech is talking about. However, I was just throwing out some ideas. The fact is I have little to no idea what Zech is talking about in this book. Today's reading (Zech 14) is very confusing. I believe that it refers to Jesus, to sin and to the Good News of salvation through Jesus (the NT plan as opposed to the OT rules and regulations). We at least have this possible perspective. I wonder what people thought about this book in the time of Zechariah. It must have sounded like total and complete nonsense! I have never spent much time reading Revelations, but from the few things I have read, describing future events is confusing. And even after the events supposedly occur, you sometimes need great imagination or a magnifying glass to see the connection. The more I talk about this the more confused I get. Now I am CIM (confused in marietta) and tomorrow I will be SCIM like Mac, but just in a different location!
Proverbs 30:8 - we can ask God to keep falsehood and lies away from us. Does this mean to keep us from telling falsehoods and lies or to keep other people from telling them to us (i.e., tricking us)? Perhaps both. When I read verse 8, I think of Matt 6:9-13 (the Lord's prayer). "Do not lead us into temptation and deliver us from the evil one" and "give us this day our daily bread." I know that I struggle with the compromise that I see all around me with regards to the 'truth.' It is amazing how easy it is to be false - to tell lies to protect oneself and one's 'image.' Perhaps keep falsehood and lies from us means to protect us from the temptation of thinking that just because everyone else does it, it is okay for me. This verse just hit me and is making me think/reflect.
Prov 30:23 - OUCH!!! An unloved woman who is married is something that makes the earth tremble. It shakes the very foundation of where we live. Is that why the 'foundation' of my family seems so shaky? Is my wife an unloved (by me) woman? Does she feel loved by God because I encourage her daily that God loves her? Unfortunately, I think I have seen something today (in this verse) about myself and my family that I do not want to admit. I think my wife 'feels' like an unloved woman who is married. I am confessing this to you all. I do many things for my wife (care for her physical needs), but I struggle to love her. What if Jesus struggled to love me because of my physical illnesses (i.e., my sin)? I would be lost and have no hope. Is this what my wife feels? Like I said above, UGHHH!!!
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Proverbs 30
Who is Ithiel and Ucal? When I first read this today, as before, I thought they were people. Now I'm not so sure. The only reference I can find to Ithiel is that he is a son of Benjamin (Nehem11:7). There is no reference to Ucal as a person. The footnotes say Masoretic Text; with a different word division of the Hebrew declared, "I am weary, O God; / I am weary, O God, and faint. To me that makes allot more since. Agur is weary and humble. He has great insight on what is never enough and things that are amazing.Agur is weary yet he goes on. We are weary, life is hard yet we must continue to trust in the Lord and depend on Him for our strength.
Zachariah 14
I find it interesting that God will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem and then He will go out and fight against those nations that He brought in. God will fight for his people, Jerusalem, after He has caused them to be split, doesn't make since to me. If this is about the last days, there is hope for the none believers. Verse 16," Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty". The survivors of the plague and the wars. Do we want to take the chance that we will survive the plague and the craziness. I don't think so!! I say we just stay focused and try to say on or find that narrow path!
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It is amazing that we all had verse 23 hit us today! I read that and I thought about our wives.Do the feel loved? We as men do not have a clue! I was watching tool time the other day and Tim said it just right. We are not as smart as women think we are! Every time we are in the wrong they say we should know what we did. Well if we did we would not have done it, duh. Women feel loved in different was then men do. We as men, are more physical. Women are more emotional. Men think security is a good job, bills paid, nice house and fixing things. We (men) make things work. Women are emotion, they want emotional security. If any one knows the answer to that feel free to fill me in. I would think that doing what we do would be security for them, but it is not. No matter how much we tell them we love them, or how great they are, how much we appreciate them and the things they do, for some women it is just not enough.
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