October 29, 2007 5:15 AM
Sam wrote:
Prov 29. Verse 18: Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint; but blessed is he who keeps the law." Strange comparison....revelation/keeping the law. Am assuming this means that where there is no vision of punishment for sin, people won't care and will keep on sinning, but those who know God's law, and that it DOES exist, will attempt not to sin. Is that the way we are? Do we keep on sinning so that 'grace will increase'? "By no means" says Paul--and so should we say. God's law does exist and we are to obey that law if we expect salvation to remain on the horizon for us.
Zech 13. MOre confusing Scripture....am assuming here that he is still talking about a time long long ago, and not referring to the last days of today, after Jesus appeared. Of that period he is speaking, though, I don't know....prophets are afraid to prophesy? Parents stab their children because the do prophesy? Surely it is not talking about when Jesus came the first time, as we see prophesy being a gift from the Holy Spirit for some to enjoy, and for others to hear and learn. So, no, I don't know when in history he is speaking. Anyone? Reply to this
October 29, 2007 8:42 AM
Tony wrote:
Vs 17," Discipline your son, and he will give you peace; he will bring delight to your soul." I wish I had disciplined my son better, this verse is so true. God, and Mac, are trying to disciplin us on a daily basis. Why are we so pig headed that we can not give up our time in the morning to thank God for allowing us to get up in the first place! Proverbs 6 vs 10 & 11'" A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest(11) and poverty will come on you like a bandit." I know that I am guilty as charged, I do not want to reap the rewards of slumber. As Rich said a few days ago I, we, need to rely on God, WE, can not do this (life) by ourselves. Zechariah 11 Vs 6 ,"For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not care for the lost, or seek the young, or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but will eat the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hoofs." Who is God talking about raising up? This is a pretty scary chapter, it has allot of future in it with Jesus and Judas, the thirty pieces of silver, but who is this Shepard? Zechariah 12 Vs 10, middle,"They will look on me, the one they have pierced," This book has all kinds of prophesy in it Zechariah 13 WOW! This sounds like God is tired of hypocrites! So tried of it that no one will prophecy or you will be killed. If you were a prophet you no longer are! Makes you wonder about the sickos today. Verses 7-9 sound like a church we had at one time. It has been struck and scattered and now it is still being refined. You guys are awesome! I wish we all had the conviction of Mac to be diligent in our time with God, maybe it will happen. We MUST keep plodding along and not lose faith in God or family. Reply to this
October 29, 2007 9:09 AM
rik wrote:
p 29-18 if one has no revelation, no vision for God or in God's Word he will cast off restraint. this is so true, sin is always tempting me but, as long as i am in the Word I have restraint. go a day or two without getting into the Word of God and my resistance to sin is very weak. it seems i throw away restraint. I had a very lazy weekend, I did not open my bible very little prayer, i am on a new workout program and i did not do the required exercise. the temptation to blame the circumstances is tempting but I know it was just me being lazy! I pray for more consistency in my walk with God. Reply to this
z 12-10 definely seems to be speaking of Jesus. z 13 vs 4,5,6 sound like a prediction of the disciples denying Jesus? Reply to this
October 29, 2007 3:35 PM
Rich wrote:
I got up at 5:45 this morning to have my QT. I am trying very hard to start a new discipline. Up at 5:30 for QT (this morning I hit snooze - UGHHH!!! - so I wasn't able to write in blog until now). If I don't do first thing in the morning I get all messed up for the rest of the day. Please encourage (prod) me to get on track and stay there. I am telling you all to discipline myself. I do better if others expect something from me - just part of my character.
I pulled out the Manna for the Morning book to give me some guidance for what is going on in Zech 12-14. Here is what it says:
Zechariah, chapters 12-14, should be viewed as a single unit that represents the climax of Zechariah's prophecy. The words "on that day" are repeated many times throughout these chapters. The phrase refers to the age of the Messiah and the coming of the Kingdom of God.
Zechariah began by stating that "on that day" a great victory would be won by God's people. Even the weakest of them would be like David (Zech 12:8). David, though young and "weak" compared to Goliath, was victorious against incredible odds because of his faith (cf Heb 11:32-34). God was with David as he would be with His people "on that day" to which Zechariah was referring.
Zechariah painted an amazing picture of the events which would later be recorded in Acts 1-2 (Zech 12:10-13:1). He stated, "On that day, they will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son." Many years later, the Jews would be 'cut to the heart' from understanding that they were responsible for crucifying Jesus. Zechariah also stated that "On that day, a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity (Zech 13:1). Forgiveness from sin through repentance and baptism is the focus of Acts 2:38.
Next Zechariah spoke of a day when God would allow persecution to come upon His people in order to refine them (Zech 13:7-9). Years later, Peter would use similar words to strengthen the disciples who were beginning to suffer persecution: "These have come so that your faith - of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire - may be proved genuine" (I Pet 1:6).
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October 29, 2007 3:45 PM
Rich wrote:
Mac - I took the part about no more prophets or prophesy to correspond that after Jesus and the Bible, there would no longer be a need for prophesy. The Bible is now all we need. God no longer sends, appoints or speaks through prophets. In fact, I took it to mean that anyone who claims to be a prophet is a liar and they will be ashamed of their prophitic vision because they know it is a lie! Anyone who claims to be a prophet today (or since Jesus) is a fake. His own parents should kill him. This is what God thinks of false prophets. Reply to this
October 29, 2007 4:09 PM
Sam wrote:
To Rich.....good summary...but about the last part (Prophets)...that is what we have been taught, for sure. But, let's look at it a little closer...you say, 'after Jesus and the Bible'---two different eras. Our 'Bible' was not 'put together' many many years after the death of Jesus, and is comprised of the Old Testament (which was the Bible of Jesus' day) and what we now called the New Testament. The NT is a compilation of copies of some of the many documents which were written years after His death---some of which were history books (Gospels and Acts), while several were letters to individuals or churches in/near the first century. During this first century after Christ died, many of these writing included the encouragement of prophesying, and nowhere did it say that this was a 'bad' thing. At what point in our history did it? When our Bible was 'finalized' into a canon of 'books'? Or, is it going to be when Jesus comes back once again? Paul prophesied. Philip's daughters prophesied. Paul says it is a gift of the Holy Spirit. SO, to say I am STILL confused, is an understatement. Either prophesy is good (Holy Spirit granted) or it is bad (prophesied by Zechariah). And, what is prophesying anyway? I have always learned it is speaking about God and His message. We prophesy when we share. Sure, it might be wrong to 'guess at the future', THAT kind of prophesying, but is that which is referred to by Zech? If so, then why would Paul say "prophesy!"? Is Paul talking about the same thing when he talks about prophesying? Same with John in his prophesy in Revelation. Was he wrong to do so? It WAS 'after Jesus', AND the people DID have a 'Bible' back then (what we refer to as the OT---but then again, I am not so sure our OT contains all the scrolls which were read, and considered to be parts of God's Word, back in the time of the first century. Anyway...SCID (still confused in Douglasville). Reply to this
Prov 29. Verse 18: Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint; but blessed is he who keeps the law." Strange comparison....revelation/keeping the law. Am assuming this means that where there is no vision of punishment for sin, people won't care and will keep on sinning, but those who know God's law, and that it DOES exist, will attempt not to sin. Is that the way we are? Do we keep on sinning so that 'grace will increase'? "By no means" says Paul--and so should we say. God's law does exist and we are to obey that law if we expect salvation to remain on the horizon for us.
Zech 13. MOre confusing Scripture....am assuming here that he is still talking about a time long long ago, and not referring to the last days of today, after Jesus appeared. Of that period he is speaking, though, I don't know....prophets are afraid to prophesy? Parents stab their children because the do prophesy? Surely it is not talking about when Jesus came the first time, as we see prophesy being a gift from the Holy Spirit for some to enjoy, and for others to hear and learn. So, no, I don't know when in history he is speaking. Anyone?
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again, i did not read yours first.
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Vs 17," Discipline your son, and he will give you peace; he will bring delight to your soul." I wish I had disciplined my son better, this verse is so true. God, and Mac, are trying to disciplin us on a daily basis. Why are we so pig headed that we can not give up our time in the morning to thank God for allowing us to get up in the first place! Proverbs 6 vs 10 & 11'" A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest(11) and poverty will come on you like a bandit." I know that I am guilty as charged, I do not want to reap the rewards of slumber. As Rich said a few days ago I, we, need to rely on God, WE, can not do this (life) by ourselves.
Zechariah 11
Vs 6 ,"For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not care for the lost, or seek the young, or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but will eat the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hoofs." Who is God talking about raising up? This is a pretty scary chapter, it has allot of future in it with Jesus and Judas, the thirty pieces of silver, but who is this Shepard?
Zechariah 12
Vs 10, middle,"They will look on me, the one they have pierced," This book has all kinds of prophesy in it
Zechariah 13
WOW! This sounds like God is tired of hypocrites! So tried of it that no one will prophecy or you will be killed. If you were a prophet you no longer are! Makes you wonder about the sickos today. Verses 7-9 sound like a church we had at one time. It has been struck and scattered and now it is still being refined. You guys are awesome! I wish we all had the conviction of Mac to be diligent in our time with God, maybe it will happen. We MUST keep plodding along and not lose faith in God or family.
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p 29-18
if one has no revelation, no vision for God or in God's Word he will cast off restraint. this is so true, sin is always tempting me but, as long as i am in the Word I have restraint. go a day or two without getting into the Word of God and my resistance to sin is very weak. it seems i throw away restraint. I had a very lazy weekend, I did not open my bible very little prayer, i am on a new workout program and i did not do the required exercise. the temptation to blame the circumstances is tempting but I know it was just me being lazy! I pray for more consistency in my walk with God.
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z 9-9 Jesus road in on a donkey.
z 12-10 definely seems to be speaking of Jesus.
z 13 vs 4,5,6 sound like a prediction of the disciples denying Jesus?
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I got up at 5:45 this morning to have my QT. I am trying very hard to start a new discipline. Up at 5:30 for QT (this morning I hit snooze - UGHHH!!! - so I wasn't able to write in blog until now). If I don't do first thing in the morning I get all messed up for the rest of the day. Please encourage (prod) me to get on track and stay there. I am telling you all to discipline myself. I do better if others expect something from me - just part of my character.
I pulled out the Manna for the Morning book to give me some guidance for what is going on in Zech 12-14. Here is what it says:
Zechariah, chapters 12-14, should be viewed as a single unit that represents the climax of Zechariah's prophecy. The words "on that day" are repeated many times throughout these chapters. The phrase refers to the age of the Messiah and the coming of the Kingdom of God.
Zechariah began by stating that "on that day" a great victory would be won by God's people. Even the weakest of them would be like David (Zech 12:8). David, though young and "weak" compared to Goliath, was victorious against incredible odds because of his faith (cf Heb 11:32-34). God was with David as he would be with His people "on that day" to which Zechariah was referring.
Zechariah painted an amazing picture of the events which would later be recorded in Acts 1-2 (Zech 12:10-13:1). He stated, "On that day, they will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son." Many years later, the Jews would be 'cut to the heart' from understanding that they were responsible for crucifying Jesus. Zechariah also stated that "On that day, a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity (Zech 13:1). Forgiveness from sin through repentance and baptism is the focus of Acts 2:38.
Next Zechariah spoke of a day when God would allow persecution to come upon His people in order to refine them (Zech 13:7-9). Years later, Peter would use similar words to strengthen the disciples who were beginning to suffer persecution: "These have come so that your faith - of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire - may be proved genuine" (I Pet 1:6).
At least this is what one person thinks.
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Mac - I took the part about no more prophets or prophesy to correspond that after Jesus and the Bible, there would no longer be a need for prophesy. The Bible is now all we need. God no longer sends, appoints or speaks through prophets. In fact, I took it to mean that anyone who claims to be a prophet is a liar and they will be ashamed of their prophitic vision because they know it is a lie! Anyone who claims to be a prophet today (or since Jesus) is a fake. His own parents should kill him. This is what God thinks of false prophets.
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To Rich.....good summary...but about the last part (Prophets)...that is what we have been taught, for sure. But, let's look at it a little closer...you say, 'after Jesus and the Bible'---two different eras. Our 'Bible' was not 'put together' many many years after the death of Jesus, and is comprised of the Old Testament (which was the Bible of Jesus' day) and what we now called the New Testament. The NT is a compilation of copies of some of the many documents which were written years after His death---some of which were history books (Gospels and Acts), while several were letters to individuals or churches in/near the first century. During this first century after Christ died, many of these writing included the encouragement of prophesying, and nowhere did it say that this was a 'bad' thing. At what point in our history did it? When our Bible was 'finalized' into a canon of 'books'? Or, is it going to be when Jesus comes back once again? Paul prophesied. Philip's daughters prophesied. Paul says it is a gift of the Holy Spirit. SO, to say I am STILL confused, is an understatement. Either prophesy is good (Holy Spirit granted) or it is bad (prophesied by Zechariah). And, what is prophesying anyway? I have always learned it is speaking about God and His message. We prophesy when we share. Sure, it might be wrong to 'guess at the future', THAT kind of prophesying, but is that which is referred to by Zech? If so, then why would Paul say "prophesy!"? Is Paul talking about the same thing when he talks about prophesying? Same with John in his prophesy in Revelation. Was he wrong to do so? It WAS 'after Jesus', AND the people DID have a 'Bible' back then (what we refer to as the OT---but then again, I am not so sure our OT contains all the scrolls which were read, and considered to be parts of God's Word, back in the time of the first century. Anyway...SCID (still confused in Douglasville).
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your a nut Mac!!
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